The Six Characteristics of Life

[Thorae]

The six characteristics of life are:
1. Cells - Fetuses have these
2. Organization - Fetuses are organized
3. Energy Use - Fetuses use energy
4. Homeostasis - Fetuses need to maintain stable internal conditions
5. Growth - Fetuses grow
6. Reproduction - At some point in it's life, a fetus can reproduce

Fetuses meet all of these standards (even reproduction, even though it can't reproduce yet, but neither can a 5 year old).

[Max Obstruction]

So do ants. So do birds. So does cattle. Whether or not something is living doesn't constitute it's right to life. Something has to be self-aware. (Did you know all great apes, bottlenose dolphins, and orca whales are self-aware?)

1. Cells - Fetuses ARE cells.
6. Reproduction - At some point? No. The fetus can never reproduce. It's a fetus, not a human being.

[Thorae]

So do ants. So do birds. So does cattle. Whether or not something is living doesn't constitute it's right to life. Something has to be self-aware. (Did you know all great apes, bottlenose dolphins, and orca whales are self-aware?)

But since the fetus obviously has life, what is it if it isn't human? A fetus isn't a separate species.

Do you know what I think is wrong? Kicking over the ant hill at the park for fun.

1. Cells - Fetuses ARE cells.

A big wtf right here: you are cells too. To qualify for #1, you need to have one or more cells. The fetus meets the criteria.

6. Reproduction - At some point? No. The fetus can never reproduce. It's a fetus, not a human being.

In order for that to be a valid argument, the fetus would need to be a different species. It's a human, and can reproduce no more than a 3 year old can.

[Max Obstruction]

But since the fetus obviously has life, what is it if it isn't human? A fetus isn't a separate species.

It's a human fetus. It's a potential human being. We don't give rights the potential human being.

Do you know what I think is wrong? Kicking over the ant hill at the park for fun.

Good for you. Should we make it illegal because an ant is life? Of course not.

In order for that to be a valid argument, the fetus would need to be a different species. It's a human, and can reproduce no more than a 3 year old can.

Potential human =/= Actual human.

[Thorae]

It's a human fetus. It's a potential human being. We don't give rights the potential human being.

How is it "potential"? Potential means it has a chance of not becoming a human (it already is a human, but I'm arguing by your standards).

Good for you. Should we make it illegal because an ant is life? Of course not.

It isn't our job to regulate what's wrong to do to other species.

Potential human =/= Actual human.

Again, potential implies the possibility it won't be human.

[Max Obstruction]

How is it "potential"? Potential means it has a chance of not becoming a human (it already is a human, but I'm arguing by your standards).

Exactly. It's not a human being yet, therefore, has no rights.

It isn't our job to regulate what's wrong to do to other species.

Life is life though. Your argument is dead at this point.

[Thorae]

Exactly. It's not a human being yet, therefore, has no rights.

How is it not a human being?

human: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae characterized by superior intelligence, articulate speech, and erect carriage

It meets all of these standards, or will in the future. If you try to say that it isn't a human being because it doesn't meet the standards yet, then a 1 year old is not human, because it can not have articulate speech.

[Max Obstruction]

Human being =/= Homo genus

[Thorae]

Life is life though. Your argument is dead at this point.

No, my argument isn't dead, because this argument is ridiculous and you know it. I do support saving all of life, but it isn't feasible to ban the killing of animals. I would support the ban, though, if feasible.

[Max Obstruction]

It isn't feasible to stop all abortions, you idiot. I'm against abortion, but I realize banning it would only make abortion more dangerous.

[Thorae]

It isn't feasible to stop all abortions, you idiot. I'm against abortion, but I realize banning it would only make abortion more dangerous.

It isn't feasible to ban murder either, but I don't see a better alternative.

If you're against abortion, then why are you trying to argue with me that the fetus isn't human? Why do you care what happens to a non human? You're saying that abortion is wrong, and yet in your arguments you find nothing wrong with it.

[Max Obstruction]

Because a fetus has no right to be inside the body of a woman, acting as a literal parasite. A woman's body is her property, and I'll be damned if I let a person who is unable to be pregnant tell her what she can and cannot do.

[Thorae]

Because a fetus has no right to be inside the body of a woman, acting as a literal parasite.

Doesn't it? The woman says okay, you can be in my body, when she has ***.

A woman's body is her property, and I'll be damned if I let a person who is unable to be pregnant tell her what she can and cannot do.

So the fetus's body belongs to the woman too? When a fetus sneezes, the woman is not sneezing, a separate human is. Why does she have the right to terminate his life?

[Max Obstruction]

Doesn't it? The woman says okay, you can be in my body, when she has ***.

Doesn't it? The woman says okay, when she is raped or a victim of incest. Hahaha, no. I've refuted the argument before. You don't have the right to live inside a human being, living off of them like a parasite. The body of the woman is the woman's property. Whether or not the fetus can stay in is up to her.

So the fetus's body belongs to the woman too? When a fetus sneezes, the woman is not sneezing, a separate human is. Why does she have the right to terminate his life?

Because it's living inside of an actual human being.

[Thorae]

Doesn't it? The woman says okay, when she is raped or a victim of incest. Hahaha, no. I've refuted the argument before. You don't have the right to live inside a human being, living off of them like a parasite. The body of the woman is the woman's property. Whether or not the fetus can stay in is up to her.

You haven't refuted a god damned thing, you've just stated your opinion or some article's opinion that you don't have the right to be in someone's body. She really shouldn't have let the baby inside of her if she didn't want it.

Because it's living inside of an actual human being.

What does that matter? Babies live off of their parents, the only difference would be physical placing.