Blind-from-birth people can see during near death experiences.

[Thorae]

Dr. Kenneth Ring and Sharon Cooper completed a two-year study into the NDEs of the blind. They published their findings in a book entitled "Mindsight" in which they documented the solid evidence of 31 cases in which blind people report visually accurate information obtained during an NDE. Perhaps the best example in his study is that of a forty-five year old blind woman by the name of Vicki Umipeg. Vicki was born blind, her optic nerve having been completely destroyed at birth because of an excess of oxygen she received in the incubator. Yet, she appears to have been able to see during her NDE. Her story is a particularly clear instance of how NDEs of the congenitally blind can unfold in precisely the same way as do those of sighted persons.

Sources:

(a) "People Born Blind Can See During a NDE", Dr. Kenneth Ring's NDE Research of the Blind
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence03.html

(b) Ring, K., & Cooper, S. (1999) Mindsight: Near-Death and Out-of-Body Experiences in the Blind. Palo Alto: William James Centre for the Study of Consciousness.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966963008

What more evidence do Atheists need to know that consciousness does in fact survive after death?

[Max Obstruction]

You can't see after death, because your brain is dead.
We've been over why you want to be religious, and it's for "moral" reasons. Can you just go ahead and say that your religion is bull ****, and call it a day? The idea that there is an afterlife, which is one that we had a long *** time ago, is complete bull.

[Thorae]

It's your word against 31 confirmed ND experiences of blind people.

I believe the blind people. They could accurately describe their surroundings after they came back to life.

[PotatoMasher]

You can't see after death, because your brain is dead.
We've been over why you want to be religious, and it's for "moral" reasons. Can you just go ahead and say that your religion is bull ****, and call it a day? The idea that there is an afterlife, which is one that we had a long *** time ago, is complete bull.

Its not like you're going to change our minds. We're not going to call our religion bs just because you want us to so that you can look like the victor of this argument. Give us a good reason why its bs and we will.

[Max Obstruction]

When you're about to die, your brain cells die off, allowing you to hallucinate.
That's what the end of Taxi Driver was about. The main character is dying, and is hallucinating.
It's hilarious really.

Anyways, I just refuse to believe goat herders 2000 years ago knew more about cosmology and science than we do now.
Hell, the bible said DEMONS cause disease.

[Thorae]

I don't get what you mean by hallucinating. Hallucinating your exact surroundings that you've never seen before and being able to accurately describe them.

There's something fishy going on here, and it isn't hallucination.

[Max Obstruction]

I don't get what you mean by hallucinating. Hallucinating your exact surroundings that you've never seen before and being able to accurately describe them.

There's something fishy going on here, and it isn't hallucination.

It's a hallucination.
Have you ever been high before? It's basically like that.
When your brain cells die, your memories are going crazy.

[PotatoMasher]

The BIBLE did not say that. Maybe you should go back and read it again to make sure. The bible never said anything about diseases or demons causing them. And if it did I want proof now. I think you might have read something and misunderstood it.

[Thorae]

It's a hallucination.
Have you ever been high before? It's basically like that.
When your brain cells die, your memories are going crazy.

Hallucination? What the hell? Why would they accurately hallucinate their surroundings? They're blind, they've NEVER seen their surroundings before.

And no. I've never been high.

[Shuckle]

Dr. Kenneth Ring and Sharon Cooper completed a two-year study into the NDEs of the blind. They published their findings in a book entitled "Mindsight" in which they documented the solid evidence of 31 cases in which blind people report visually accurate information obtained during an NDE. Perhaps the best example in his study is that of a forty-five year old blind woman by the name of Vicki Umipeg. Vicki was born blind, her optic nerve having been completely destroyed at birth because of an excess of oxygen she received in the incubator. Yet, she appears to have been able to see during her NDE. Her story is a particularly clear instance of how NDEs of the congenitally blind can unfold in precisely the same way as do those of sighted persons.

Sources:

(a) "People Born Blind Can See During a NDE", Dr. Kenneth Ring's NDE Research of the Blind
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence03.html

(b) Ring, K., & Cooper, S. (1999) Mindsight: Near-Death and Out-of-Body Experiences in the Blind. Palo Alto: William James Centre for the Study of Consciousness.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966963008

Maybe, but it's definitely not proof for CHRISTIANITY.

[Thorae]

It's proof for consciousness beyond death.

[Shuckle]

It's more like proof of consciousness whilst unconscious.

[Thorae]

Can we agree on proof of consciousness beyond brain function?

[Shuckle]

Umm... uhh.... HOLY DIVAAAAAAA YOU'VE BEEN DOWWN TO LONG IN THE MIDNIGHT SEAAAAA

[Raptor Jesus]

Can we agree on proof of consciousness beyond brain function?

No, because it sounds unreasonable.